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Plutarch
Table Talk Section 1
Section 244 of 260
Canonical reference 9.5.1
Ancient Greek
ταῦτα τοὺς ἄλλους ἅπαντας ἡδίους ἐποίησε, μόνον δὲ τὸν γραμματικὸν Ὕλαν ὁ ῥήτωρ Σῶσπις ὁρῶν ἀποσιωπῶντα καὶ βαρυθυμούμενον οὐ πάνυ γὰρ εὐημέρησεν ἐν ταῖς ἐπιδείξεσιν ἀνεφώνησεν οἴη δʼ Αἴαντος ψυχὴ Τελαμωνιάδαο· τὰ λοιπὰ μεῖζον φθεγγόμενος ἤδη πρὸς ἐκεῖνον ἐπέραινεν, ἀλλʼ ἴθι δεῦρο, ἄναξ, ἵνʼ ἔπος καὶ μῦθον ἀκούσῃς ἡμέτερον· δάμασον δὲ μένος καὶ ἀτειρέα θυμόν· ἔτι δʼ ἀνώμαλος ὢν ὑπʼ ὀργῆς ὁ Ὕλας ἀπεκρίνατο σκαιῶς τὴν μὲν Αἴαντος ἔφη ψυχὴν εἰκοστὴν λαχοῦσαν ἐν Ἅιδου διαμείψασθαι κατὰ τὸν Πλάτωνα φύσιν λέοντος· αὑτῷ δὲ πολλάκις παρίσταθαι καὶ τὰ τοῦ κωμικοῦ γέροντος ὄνον γενέσθαι κρεῖττον, ἢ τοὺς χείρονας ὁρᾶν ἑαυτοῦ ζῶντας ἐπιφανέστερον. καὶ ὁ Σῶσπις γελάσας ἀλλʼ ἕως μέλλομεν ἐνδύεσθαι τὸ κανθήλιον, εἴ τι κήδῃ Πλάτωνος, δίδαξον ἡμᾶς, ᾧτινι λόγῳ τὴν τοῦ Τελαμωνίου ψυχὴν πεποίηκεν ἀπὸ κλήρου βαδίζουσαν εἰκοστὴν ἐπὶ τὴν αἵρεσιν· ἀποσκορακίσαντος δὲ τοῦ Ὕλα χλευάζεσθαι γὰρ ᾤετο δυσημερῶν, ὑπολαβὼν ὁ ἀδελφὸς ἡμῶν τί οὖν; εἶπεν οὐ δευτερεῖα μὲν ὁ Αἴας κάλλους καὶ μεγέθους καὶ ἀνδρείας ἀεὶ φέρεται μετʼ ἀμύμονα Πηλείωνα, τὰ δʼ εἴκοσι δευτέρα δεκάς, ἡ δὲ δεκὰς ἐν τοῖς ἀριθμοῖς κράτιστος, ὡς ἐν τοῖς Ἀχαιοῖς ὁ Ἀχιλλεύς; γελασάντων δʼ ἡμῶν ταῦτα μέν ὁ Ἀμμώνιος εἶπεν ὦ Λαμπρία, κείσθω σοι πεπαιγμένα πρὸς Ὕλαν· ἡμῖν δὲ μὴ παίζων ἀλλʼ ἀπὸ σπουδῆς, ἐπεὶ τὸν λόγον ἑκὼν ἐξεδέξω, δίελθε περὶ τῆς αἰτίας.
English
Thomas Creech, 1874
THESE discourses made all the other company merry; but Sospis the rhetorician, seeing Hylas the grammarian sit silent and discomposed (for he had not been very happy in his exercises), cried out, But Ajax’s soul stood far apart; and raising his voice repeated the rest to him, But sit, draw near, and patiently attend, Hear what I say, and tame your violent rage. To this Hylas, unable to contain, returned a scurvy answer, saying that Ajax’s soul, taking her lot in the twentieth place in hell, changed her nature, according to Plato, for a lion’s; but, for his part, he could not but often think upon the saying of the old comedian, ’Tis better far to be an ass, than see Unworthier men in greater honor shine. At this Sospis, laughing heartily, said: But in the mean time, before we have the pack-saddles on, if you have any regard for Plato, tell us why he makes Ajax’s soul, after the lots drawn, to have the twentieth choice. Hylas, with great indignation, refused, thinking that this was a jeering reflection on his former miscarriage. Therefore my brother began thus: What, was not Ajax counted the second for beauty, strength, and courage, and the next to Achilles in the Grecian army? And twenty is the second ten, and ten is the chiefest of numbers, as Achilles of the Greeks. We laughing at this, Ammonius said: Well, Lamprias, let this suffice for a joke upon Hylas; but since you have voluntarily taken upon you to give an account of this matter, leave off jesting, and seriously proceed.
French AI-generated translation, non-official
Codex gpt-5.6-sol · Non-official working translation · 2026-09-13
CES propos égayèrent toute l’assemblée ; mais Sospis le rhéteur, voyant Hylas le grammairien assis en silence et contrarié, car il n’avait guère brillé dans les exercices, s’écria : « Mais l’âme d’Ajax se tenait à l’écart » ; puis, élevant la voix, il lui récita la suite : « Mais assieds-toi, approche et écoute patiemment ; entends ce que je dis et dompte ta violente colère. » Hylas, incapable de se contenir, lui fit une réponse désobligeante : l’âme d’Ajax, à qui le sort avait attribué la vingtième place aux enfers, avait, selon Platon, changé sa nature contre celle d’un lion ; quant à lui, il ne pouvait s’empêcher de songer souvent à cette parole du poète comique ancien : « Il vaut bien mieux être un âne que de voir des hommes plus indignes briller sous de plus grands honneurs. » Sospis éclata de rire et dit : « Mais en attendant qu’on nous mette les bâts, si tu as quelque considération pour Platon, dis-nous pourquoi, après le tirage des sorts, il donne à l’âme d’Ajax le vingtième choix. » Hylas refusa avec une vive indignation, persuadé que cette question tournait en dérision son précédent échec. Mon frère commença donc ainsi : « Quoi ! Ajax n’était-il pas tenu pour le second en beauté, en force et en courage, immédiatement après Achille dans l’armée grecque ? Or vingt est la seconde dizaine, et dix est le premier des nombres, comme Achille est le premier des Grecs. » Comme nous riions de cette réponse, Ammonios dit : « Allons, Lamprias, que cette plaisanterie aux dépens d’Hylas suffise ; mais puisque tu as volontairement entrepris de rendre raison de cette affaire, cesse de plaisanter et poursuis sérieusement. »
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