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Cicero
Brutus, or On Eminent Orators Passage 292
Passage 292 of 334
Canonical reference 292
Latin
perseus-cicero-brutus-lat
sane quidem, inquit Brutus; quamquam ista mihi tua fuit periucunda a proposita oratione digressio. Tum Atticus: Aliquotiens sum, inquit, conatus , sed interpellare nolui. Nunc quoniam iam ad perorandum spectare videtur sermo tuus, dicam, opinor, quod sentio. Tu vero, inquam, Tite . Tum ille: Ego, inquit, ironiam illam quam in Socrate dicunt fuisse, qua ille in Platonis et Xenophontis et Aeschini libris utitur, facetam et elegantem puto. Est enim et minime inepti hominis et eiusdem etiam faceti, cum de sapientia disceptetur , hanc sibi ipsum detrahere, eis tribuere inludentem, qui eam sibi adrogant , ut apud Platonem Socrates in caelum effert laudibus Protagoram Hippiam Prodicum Gorgiam ceteros, se autem omnium rerum inscium fingit et rudem. Decet hoc nescio quo modo ilium, nec Epicuro, qui id reprehendit, assentior. Sed in historia, qua tu es usus in omni sermone, cum qualis quisque orator fuisset exponeres, vide quaeso, inquit, ne tam reprehendenda sit ironia quam in testimonio. Quorsus, inquam, istuc? non enim intellego.
English AI-generated translation, non-official
Codex gpt-5.6-sol · Non-official working translation · 2026-09-11
“Certainly,” said Brutus, “although I found that digression from your proposed discourse exceedingly pleasant.” Then Atticus said: “I tried several times, but did not wish to interrupt. Now, since your discourse seems already to be approaching its conclusion, I think I shall say what I think.” “By all means, Titus,” I replied. Then he said: “I consider the irony said to have belonged to Socrates, which he employs in the books of Plato, Xenophon, and Aeschines, witty and elegant. For when wisdom is being debated, it is the mark of a man who is neither foolish nor without wit to deny it to himself and mockingly bestow it upon those who claim it for themselves. Thus in Plato Socrates extols Protagoras, Hippias, Prodicus, Gorgias, and the others to the skies with praise, while pretending that he himself is ignorant and unversed in everything. Somehow this suits him, and I do not agree with Epicurus, who condemns it. But in history, which you have employed throughout this conversation while explaining what kind of orator each man was, take care, I ask,” he said, “that irony is not as reprehensible as it would be in testimony.” “What are you driving at?” I asked. “I do not understand.”
French AI-generated translation, non-official
Codex gpt-5.6-sol · Non-official working translation · 2026-09-11
« Volontiers, dit Brutus, quoique ta digression hors du sujet proposé m’ait été fort agréable. » Alors Atticus dit : « J’ai tenté plusieurs fois de parler, mais je ne voulais pas t’interrompre. Maintenant que ton entretien semble approcher de sa conclusion, je dirai, je pense, mon sentiment. » « Parle donc, Titus », répondis-je. Il reprit : « Je trouve spirituelle et élégante cette ironie qu’on attribue à Socrate et dont il use dans les livres de Platon, de Xénophon et d’Eschine. Lorsqu’on discute de la sagesse, il convient à un homme qui n’est nullement sot, et qui est même spirituel, de se la retirer à lui-même et de l’attribuer par moquerie à ceux qui se l’arrogent. Ainsi, chez Platon, Socrate porte aux nues Protagoras, Hippias, Prodicos, Gorgias et les autres, tandis qu’il feint d’être lui-même ignorant et novice en toutes choses. Cela lui convient, je ne sais comment, et je ne suis pas d’accord avec Épicure, qui le lui reproche. Mais dans une histoire comme celle que tu as menée pendant tout cet entretien, en exposant ce que fut chaque orateur, prends garde, je te prie, que l’ironie ne soit aussi répréhensible que dans un témoignage. » « Où veux-tu en venir ? » demandai-je. « Je ne comprends pas. »
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