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Cicero
Lucullus, Book Two of the Academica Passage 13
Passage 13 of 148
Canonical reference 13
Latin
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Quae cum dixisset, sic rursus exorsus est: Primum mihi videmini (me autem nomine appellabat) cum veteres physicos nominatis facere idem quod seditiosi cives solent cum aliquos ex antiquis claros viros proferunt quos dicant fuisse populares, ut eorum ipsi similes esse videantur. repetunt i a P. Valerio qui exactis regibus primo anno consul fuit, commemorant reliquos qui leges populares de provocationibus tulerint cum consules essent; tum ad hos notiores, C. Flaminium qui legem agrariam aliquot annis ante secundum Punicum bellum tribunus plebis tulerit invito senatu et postea bis consul factus sit, L. Cassium Q. Pompeium. illi quidem etiam P. Africanum referre in eundem numerum solent; duo vero sapientissimos et clarissimos fratres P. Crassum et P. Scaevolam aiunt Tib. Graccho legum auctores fuisse, alterum quidem ut videmus palam, alterum ut suspicantur obscurius. addunt etiam C. Marium; et de hoc quidem nihil mentiuntur. horum nominibus tot virorum atque tantorum expositis eorum se institutum sequi dicunt.
English AI-generated translation, non-official
Codex gpt-5.6-sol · Non-official working translation · 2026-09-11
After saying this, he began again as follows: “First, you seem to me,” for he addressed me by name, “when you invoke the early natural philosophers, to do the same thing that seditious citizens commonly do when they bring forward certain illustrious men of old whom they claim to have favored the people, so that they themselves may seem like them. They begin with Publius Valerius, who was consul in the first year after the expulsion of the kings. They mention the others who, as consuls, enacted popular laws concerning appeals. Then they come to better-known figures: Gaius Flaminius, who as tribune of the plebs carried an agrarian law against the Senate’s will a few years before the Second Punic War and afterward served twice as consul; Lucius Cassius; and Quintus Pompeius. They are even accustomed to include Publius Africanus in the same company. They say that the two wisest and most illustrious brothers, Publius Crassus and Publius Scaevola, advised Tiberius Gracchus on his laws, one openly, as we can see, and the other more secretly, as they suspect. They also add Gaius Marius, and about him, at least, they tell no falsehood. Having displayed the names of so many great men, they claim to follow their political tradition.”
French AI-generated translation, non-official
Codex gpt-5.6-sol · Non-official working translation · 2026-09-11
Après ces paroles, il reprit ainsi : « Il me semble d’abord que, lorsque vous nommez les anciens physiciens, vous faites, et il m’appelait ici par mon nom, ce que font ordinairement les citoyens séditieux. Ils citent quelques hommes illustres de l’Antiquité qu’ils prétendent avoir été partisans du peuple, afin de paraître eux-mêmes leur ressembler. Ils remontent à P. Valérius, qui fut consul la première année après l’expulsion des rois ; ils rappellent les autres consuls qui firent voter des lois populaires sur le droit d’appel. Puis ils passent à des hommes mieux connus : C. Flaminius, qui, tribun de la plèbe quelques années avant la deuxième guerre punique, fit voter malgré le Sénat une loi agraire et fut ensuite deux fois consul ; L. Cassius ; Q. Pompée. Ils ont même coutume de ranger P. l’Africain dans la même catégorie. Ils disent que les deux frères très sages et très illustres P. Crassus et P. Scévola conseillèrent les lois de Tib. Gracchus, l’un ouvertement, comme nous le voyons, l’autre plus secrètement, comme ils le supposent. Ils ajoutent encore C. Marius, et sur celui-ci, du moins, ils ne mentent aucunement. Après avoir étalé les noms de tant et de si grands hommes, ils prétendent suivre leur politique.
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