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Plato
Euthydemus Passage 294
Passage 24 of 37
Canonical reference 294
Ancient Greek
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ΣΩ. πάντʼ ἄρα, ἔφην ἐγώ, ἐπίστασθον, ἐπειδήπερ καὶ ὁτιοῦν; πάντʼ, ἔφη· καὶ σύ γε πρός, εἴπερ καὶ ἓν ἐπίστασαι, πάντα ἐπίστασαι. ὦ Ζεῦ, ἔφην ἐγώ, ὡς θαυμαστὸν λέγεις καὶ ἀγαθὸν μέγα πεφάνθαι. μῶν καὶ οἱ ἄλλοι πάντες ἄνθρωποι πάντʼ ἐπίστανται, ἢ οὐδέν; οὐ γὰρ δήπου, ἔφη, τὰ μὲν ἐπίστανται, τὰ δʼ οὐκ ἐπίστανται, καὶ εἰσὶν ἅμα ἐπιστήμονές τε καὶ ἀνεπιστήμονες. ἀλλὰ τί; ἦν δʼ ἐγώ. πάντες, ἦ δʼ ὅς, πάντα ἐπίστανται, εἴπερ καὶ ἕν. ὦ πρὸς τῶν θεῶν, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ, ὦ Διονυσόδωρε - δῆλοι γάρ μοί ἐστον ἤδη ὅτι σπουδάζετον, καὶ μόλις ὑμᾶς προυκαλεσάμην σπουδάζειν - αὐτὼ τῷ ὄντι πάντα ἐπίστασθον; οἷον τεκτονικὴν καὶ σκυτικήν; πάνυ γʼ, ἔφη. ἦ καὶ νευρορραφεῖν δυνατώ ἐστον; καὶ ναὶ μὰ Δία καττύειν, ἔφη. ἦ καὶ τὰ τοιαῦτα, τοὺς ἀστέρας ὁπόσοι εἰσί, καὶ τὴν ἄμμον; πάνυ γε, ἦ δʼ ὅς· εἶτʼ οὐκ ἂν οἴει ὁμολογῆσαι ἡμᾶς; καὶ ὁ Κτήσιππος ὑπολαβών· πρὸς Διός, ἔφη, Διονυσόδωρε, τεκμήριόν τί μοι τούτων ἐπιδείξατον τοιόνδε, ᾧ εἴσομαι ὅτι ἀληθῆ λέγετον. τί ἐπιδείξω; ἔφη. οἶσθα Εὐθύδημον ὁπόσους ὀδόντας ἔχει, καὶ ὁ Εὐθύδημος ὁπόσους σύ; οὐκ ἐξαρκεῖ σοι, ἔφη, ἀκοῦσαι ὅτι πάντα ἐπιστάμεθα; μηδαμῶς, ἦ δʼ ὅς, ἀλλὰ τοῦτο ἔτι ἡμῖν μόνον εἴπατον καὶ ἐπιδείξατον ὅτι ἀληθῆ λέγετον· καὶ ἐὰν εἴπητον ὁπόσους ἑκάτερος ἔχει ὑμῶν, καὶ φαίνησθε γνόντες ἡμῶν ἀριθμησάντων, ἤδη πεισόμεθα ὑμῖν καὶ τἆλλα. ἡγουμένω οὖν σκώπτεσθαι οὐκ ἠθελέτην, ἀλλʼ ὡμολογησάτην πάντα χρήματα ἐπίστασθαι, καθʼ ἓν ἕκαστον ἐρωτώμενοι ὑπὸ Κτησίππου. ὁ γὰρ Κτήσιππος πάνυ ἀπαρακαλύπτως οὐδὲν ὅτι οὐκ ἠρώτα τελευτῶν, καὶ τὰ αἴσχιστα, εἰ ἐπισταίσθην· τὼ δὲ ἀνδρειότατα ὁμόσε ᾔτην τοῖς ἐρωτήμασιν, ὁμολογοῦντες εἰδέναι, ὥσπερ οἱ κάπροι οἱ πρὸς τὴν πληγὴν ὁμόσε ὠθούμενοι, ὥστʼ ἔγωγε καὶ αὐτός, ὦ Κρίτων, ὑπʼ ἀπιστίας ἠναγκάσθην τελευτῶν ἐρέσθαι τὸν Εὐθύδημον εἰ καὶ ὀρχεῖσθαι ἐπίσταιτο ὁ Διονυσόδωρος· ὁ δέ, πάνυ, ἔφη. οὐ δήπου, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ, καὶ ἐς μαχαίρας γε κυβιστᾶν καὶ ἐπὶ τροχοῦ δινεῖσθαι τηλικοῦτος ὤν, οὕτω πόρρω σοφίας ἥκεις; οὐδέν, ἔφη, ὅτι οὔ. πότερον δέ, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ, πάντα νῦν μόνον ἐπίστασθον ἢ καὶ ἀεί; καὶ ἀεί, ἔφη. καὶ ὅτε παιδία ἤστην καὶ εὐθὺς γενόμενοι ἠπίστασθε πάντα; ἐφάτην ἅμα ἀμφοτέρω.
English
Benjamin Jowett · perseus-plato-euthydemus-en
Soc. So you know everything, I asked, since you know anything? Everything, he replied; yes, and you too, if you know one thing, know all. Good Heavens, I cried, what a wonderful statement! What a great blessing to boast of! And the rest of mankind, do they know everything or nothing? Surely, he said, they cannot know some things and not others, and so be at once knowing and unknowing. But what then? I asked. All men, he replied, know all things, if they know one. In the name of goodness, Dionysodorus, I said - for now I can see both of you are serious; before, I could hardly prevail on you to be so - do you yourselves really know everything? Carpentry, for instance, and shoe-making? Certainly, he said. And you are good hands at leather-stitching? Why yes, in faith, and cobbling, he said. And are you good also at such things as counting the stars, and the sand? Certainly, he said: can you think we would not admit that also? Here Ctesippus broke in: Be so good, Dionysodorus, he said, as to place some such evidence before me as will convince me that what you say is true. What shall I put forward? he asked. Do you know how many teeth Euthydemus has, and does Euthydemus know how many you have? Are you not content, he rejoined, to be told that we know everything? No, do not say that, he replied: only tell us this one thing more, and propound to us that you speak the truth. Then, if you tell us how many teeth each of you has, and you are found by our counting to have known it, we shall believe you thenceforth in everything else likewise. Well, as they supposed we were making fun of them, they would not do it: only they agreed that they knew all subjects, when questioned on them, one after the other, by Ctesippus; who, before he had done with them, asked them if they knew every kind of thing, even the most unseemly, without the least reserve; while they most valiantly encountered his questions, agreeing that they had the knowledge in each case, like boars when driven up to face the spears: so that I for my part, Crito, became quite incredulous,and had to ask in the end if Dionysodorus knew also how to dance. To which he replied: Certainly. I do not suppose, I said, that you have attained such a degree of skill as to do sword-dancing, or be whirled about on a wheel, at your time of life? There is nothing, he said, that I cannot do. Then tell me, I went on, do you know everything at present only, or for ever? For ever too, he said. And when you were children, and were just born, you knew? Everything, they both replied together.
French
Victor Cousin · wikisource-cousin-euthydemus-fr-01
[294a] Vous savez donc tout, puisque vous savez quelque chose ? - Oui, tout, répondit-il, et toi aussi, tu sais tout, si tu sais, ne serait-ce qu’une seule chose. - O Jupiter ! quelle merveille, m’écriai-je, et quel bien précieux nous est révélé ! Mais les autres hommes savent-ils aussi tout, ou ne savent-ils rien ? - Il est impossible, répondit-il, qu’ils sachent une chose et qu’ils en ignorent une autre, qu’ils soient savans et ignorans tout à-la-fois. - Mais que dirons-nous donc ? demandai-je. - Nous dirons, répondit-il, que tous les hommes savent tout, dès qu’ils savent une seule chose. [294b] - Grands dieux ! Dionysodore, je vois bien que vous parlez enfin sérieusement, et que mes prières ont été entendues. Vraiment se peut-il que vous sachiez tout ? par exemple, l’art du charpentier et du tanneur ? - Oui, me dit-il. - Seriez-vous aussi cordonniers ? - Par Jupiter ! oui, et savetiers aussi. - Vous n’ignorez donc pas non plus le nombre des astres et des grains de sable ? - Non, me dit-il ; crois-tu que nous ne le soutenions pas ? Ctésippe prenant là-dessus la parole : O Dionysodore, [294c] dit-il, fais-moi voir par quelque expérience que vous dites la vérité. - Quelle expérience demandes-tu ? répliqua-t-il. - Sais-tu combien Euthydème a de dents, et Euthydème, combien tu en as ? - Ne te suffit-il pas, répondit-il, d’avoir entendu que nous savons tout ? - Point du tout ; mais répondez cette seule fois pour nous prouver que vous dites la vérité ; et si vous dites précisément l’un et l’autre combien vous avez de dents, et que le nombre soit juste, car nous les compterons, nous vous croirons pour tout le reste. [294d] - Eux, soupçonnant que Ctésippe se moquait, ne lui répondaient, à tout ce qu’il leur demandait, que généralement, disant qu’ils savaient tout. Pour Ctésippe, il se donnait beau jeu, et il n’y avait rien qu’il ne demandât, même les choses les plus ridicules. À quoi ils persistaient à répondre intrépidement qu’ils savaient tout, comme les sangliers qui s’enferrent eux-mêmes dans l’épieu ; de sorte que mon incrédulité me poussa enfin à demander moi-même [294e] à Euthydème si Dionysodore savait aussi danser. - Euthydème m’assura que oui. - Mais sauterait-il sur des épées nues, la tête en bas ? saurait-il faire la roue à son âge ? pousse-t-il l’habileté jusque là ? - Il n’y a rien qu’il ignore, répondit-il. - Mais n’est-ce que depuis peu que vous savez tout, ou si vous le savez de tout temps ? - De tout temps, répondit-il. - Quoi ! dès votre plus tendre enfance, et aussitôt que vous êtes nés, vous saviez tout ? - Tout, répondirent-ils l’un et l’autre.
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