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Plato
Phaedrus Passage 232
Passage 6 of 53
Canonical reference 232
Ancient Greek
perseus-plato-phaedrus-grc
ΦΑΙ. εἰ τοίνυν τὸν νόμον τὸν καθεστηκότα δέδοικας, μὴ πυθομένων τῶν ἀνθρώπων ὄνειδός σοι γένηται, εἰκός ἐστι τοὺς μὲν ἐρῶντας, οὕτως ἂν οἰομένους καὶ ὑπὸ τῶν ἄλλων ζηλοῦσθαι ὥσπερ αὐτοὺς ὑφʼ αὑτῶν, ἐπαρθῆναι τῷ λέγειν καὶ φιλοτιμουμένους ἐπιδείκνυσθαι πρὸς ἅπαντας ὅτι οὐκ ἄλλως αὐτοῖς πεπόνηται· τοὺς δὲ μὴ ἐρῶντας, κρείττους αὑτῶν ὄντας, τὸ βέλτιστον ἀντὶ τῆς δόξης τῆς παρὰ τῶν ἀνθρώπων αἱρεῖσθαι. ἔτι δὲ τοὺς μὲν ἐρῶντας πολλοὺς ἀνάγκη πυθέσθαι καὶ ἰδεῖν ἀκολουθοῦντας τοῖς ἐρωμένοις καὶ ἔργον τοῦτο ποιουμένους, ὥστε ὅταν ὀφθῶσι διαλεγόμενοι ἀλλήλοις, τότε αὐτοὺς οἴονται ἢ γεγενημένης ἢ μελλούσης ἔσεσθαι τῆς ἐπιθυμίας συνεῖναι· τοὺς δὲ μὴ ἐρῶντας οὐδʼ αἰτιᾶσθαι διὰ τὴν συνουσίαν ἐπιχειροῦσιν, εἰδότες ὅτι ἀναγκαῖόν ἐστιν ἢ διὰ φιλίαν τῳ διαλέγεσθαι ἢ διʼ ἄλλην τινὰ ἡδονήν. καὶ μὲν δὴ εἴ σοι δέος παρέστηκεν ἡγουμένῳ χαλεπὸν εἶναι φιλίαν συμμένειν, καὶ ἄλλῳ μὲν τρόπῳ διαφορᾶς γενομένης κοινὴν ἂν ἀμφοτέροις καταστῆναι τὴν συμφοράν, προεμένου δέ σου ἃ περὶ πλείστου ποιῇ μεγάλην ἄν σοι βλάβην ἂν γενέσθαι, εἰκότως ἂν τοὺς ἐρῶντας μᾶλλον ἂν φοβοῖο· πολλὰ γὰρ αὐτούς ἐστι τὰ λυποῦντα, καὶ πάντʼ ἐπὶ τῇ αὑτῶν βλάβῃ νομίζουσι γίγνεσθαι. διόπερ καὶ τὰς πρὸς τοὺς ἄλλους τῶν ἐρωμένων συνουσίας ἀποτρέπουσιν, φοβούμενοι τοὺς μὲν οὐσίαν κεκτημένους μὴ χρήμασιν αὐτοὺς ὑπερβάλωνται, τοὺς δὲ πεπαιδευμένους μὴ συνέσει κρείττους γένωνται· τῶν δὲ ἄλλο τι κεκτημένων ἀγαθὸν τὴν δύναμιν ἑκάστου φυλάττονται. πείσαντες μὲν οὖν ἀπεχθέσθαι σε τούτοις εἰς ἐρημίαν φίλων καθιστᾶσιν, ἐὰν δὲ τὸ σεαυτοῦ σκοπῶν ἄμεινον ἐκείνων φρονῇς, ἥξεις αὐτοῖς εἰς διαφοράν· ὅσοι δὲ μὴ ἐρῶντες ἔτυχον, ἀλλὰ διʼ ἀρετὴν ἔπραξαν ὧν ἐδέοντο, οὐκ ἂν τοῖς συνοῦσι φθονοῖεν, ἀλλὰ τοὺς μὴ ἐθέλοντας μισοῖεν, ἡγούμενοι ὑπʼ ἐκείνων μὲν ὑπερορᾶσθαι, ὑπὸ τῶν συνόντων δὲ ὠφελεῖσθαι, ὥστε πολὺ πλείων ἐλπὶς φιλίαν αὐτοῖς ἐκ τοῦ πράγματος ἢ ἔχθραν γενέσθαι.
English
Benjamin Jowett · perseus-plato-phaedrus-en
Phaedrus. Now if you are afraid of public opinion, and fear that if people find out your love affair you will be disgraced, consider that lovers, believing that others would be as envious of them as they are of others, are likely to be excited by possession and in their pride to show everybody that they have not toiled in vain; but the non-lovers, since they have control of their feelings, are likely to choose what is really best, rather than to court the opinion of mankind. Moreover, many are sure to notice and see the lovers going about with their beloved ones and making that their chief business, and so, when they are seen talking with each other, people think they are met in connection with some love-matter either past or future; but no one ever thinks of finding fault with non-lovers because they meet, since everyone knows that one must converse with somebody, either because of friendship or because it is pleasant for some other reason. And then, too, if you are frightened by the thought that it is hard for friendship to last, and that under other circumstances any quarrel would be an equal misfortune to both, but that when you have surrendered what you prize most highly you would be the chief sufferer, it would be reasonable for you to be more afraid of the lovers; for they are pained by many things and they think everything that happens is done for the sake of hurting them. Therefore they prevent their loves from associating with other men, for they fear the wealthy, lest their money give them an advantage, and the educated, lest they prove superior in intellect; and they are on their guard against the influence of everyone who possesses any other good thing. If now they persuade you to incur the dislike of all these, they involve you in a dearth of friends, and if you consider your own interest and are more sensible than they, you will have to quarrel with them. But those who are not in love, but who have gained the satisfaction of their desires because of their merit, would not be jealous of those who associated with you, but would hate those who did not wish to do so, thinking that you are slighted by these last and benefited by the former, so that there is much more likelihood that they will gain friendship than enmity from their love-affair with you.
French AI-generated translation, non-official
Codex gpt-5.6-sol · Non-official working translation · 2026-09-11
Phèdre. Maintenant, si tu redoutes l’opinion publique et crains d’être déshonoré si les gens découvrent ta liaison amoureuse, considère que les amoureux, persuadés que les autres leur envient leur bonheur autant qu’eux-mêmes envient celui des autres, seront vraisemblablement exaltés par leur possession et montreront fièrement à tous qu’ils n’ont pas peiné en vain. Les non-amoureux, qui maîtrisent leurs sentiments, choisiront vraisemblablement ce qui est réellement le meilleur plutôt que de rechercher l’approbation des hommes. En outre, beaucoup de gens remarqueront nécessairement les amoureux, les verront accompagner ceux qu’ils aiment et en faire leur principale occupation. Aussi, lorsqu’on les voit converser, on pense qu’ils se sont rencontrés pour quelque affaire d’amour passée ou future. Mais personne ne songe jamais à blâmer des non-amoureux parce qu’ils se rencontrent, chacun sachant qu’il faut bien converser avec quelqu’un, soit par amitié, soit parce que cela est agréable pour quelque autre raison. Et puis, si tu es effrayé par l’idée qu’une amitié peut difficilement durer, qu’en d’autres circonstances une querelle serait un malheur égal pour les deux, mais qu’après avoir abandonné ce que tu estimes le plus précieux tu serais le principal à souffrir, tu aurais raison de craindre davantage les amoureux. Car beaucoup de choses leur font de la peine, et ils pensent que tout ce qui arrive vise à leur nuire. Ils empêchent donc ceux qu’ils aiment de fréquenter d’autres hommes : ils craignent les riches, de peur que leur argent ne leur donne un avantage, et les gens instruits, de peur qu’ils ne se révèlent supérieurs par l’intelligence ; ils se gardent enfin de l’influence de quiconque possède quelque autre bien. S’ils te persuadent de t’attirer l’aversion de tous ces hommes, ils te réduisent à une pénurie d’amis ; et si tu considères ton propre intérêt et montres plus de bon sens qu’eux, il te faudra te quereller avec eux. Ceux qui ne sont pas amoureux, mais qui ont obtenu la satisfaction de leurs désirs grâce à leur mérite, ne seraient pas jaloux de ceux qui te fréquentent. Ils détesteraient au contraire ceux qui refuseraient de le faire, estimant que ces derniers te dédaignent et que les premiers te font du bien. Il est donc beaucoup plus vraisemblable que leur liaison amoureuse avec toi leur apporte des amitiés plutôt que des inimitiés.
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