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Seneca

Moral Letters to Lucilius Section 12

Section 1,709 of 2,141

Canonical reference 102.12

Latin

Perseus canonical Latin TEI

Quid ergo? inquit, et fama erit unius hominis existimatio et infamia unius malignus sermo? Gloriam quoque, inquit, latius fusam intellego, consensum enim multorum exigit. Diversa horum condicio est et illius. Quare? Quia, si de me bene vir bonus sentit, eodem loco sum, quo si omnes boni idem sentirent; omnes enim, si me cognoverint, idem sentient. Par illis idemque iudicium est, aeque vero inficiscitur. Dissidere non possunt; ita pro eo est, ac si omnes idem sentiant, quia aliud sentire non possunt.

French

Baillard 1914

Et la gloire aussi je la comprends large, étendue au loin, car elle veut le concert d’un grand nombre. » La gloire, la renommée, différent de l’illustration, et pourquoi ? Qu’un seul homme vertueux pense bien de moi, c’est pour moi comme si tous les gens vertueux avaient de moi la même pensée, ce qui aurait lieu si tous me connaissaient. Leur jugement est pareil, identique ; or c’est toujours tenir la même voie que de ne pouvoir se partager. C’est donc comme si tous avaient le même sentiment, puisqu’en avoir un autre leur est impossible. Quant à la gloire, à la renommée, la voix d’un seul ne suffit pas.

English

Richard M. Gummere · Moral Letters to Lucilius

Then the retort is: “What! Would you define reputation as the esteem of one individual, and ill-repute as the rancorous chatter of one man? Glory, too, we take to be more widespread, for it demands the agreement of many men.” But the position of the “many” is different from that of “the one.” And why? Because, if the good man thinks well of me, it practically amounts to my being thought well of by all good men; for they will all think the same, if they know me. Their judgment is alike and identical; the effect of truth on it is equal. They cannot disagree, which means that they would all hold the same view, being unable to hold different views.

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