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Cicero
Orator Passage 169
Passage 169 of 238
Canonical reference 169
Latin
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hoc me ipsum delectat inquiunt. Quid si antiquissima illa pictura paucorum colorum magis quam haec iam perfecta delectet, illa nobis sit credo repetenda, haec scilicet repudianda! nominibus veterum gloriantur. Habet autem ut in aetatibus auctoritatem senectus, sic in exemplis antiquitas, quae quidem apud me ipsum valet plurimum. Nec ego id quod deest antiquitati flagito potius quam laudo quod est; praesertim cum ea maiora iudicem quae sunt quam illa quae desunt. Plus est enim in verbis et in sententiis boni, quibus illi excellunt, quam in conclusione sententiarum, quam non habent. post inventa conclusio est, qua credo usuros veteres illos fuisse, si iam nota atque usurpata res esset; qua inventa omnis usos magnos oratores videmus.
English AI-generated translation, non-official
Codex gpt-5.6-sol · Non-official working translation · 2026-09-11
They say, This very quality delights me. What if that most ancient painting in a few colors delights someone more than this now perfected art? I suppose we must recover the former and, of course, reject the latter! They glory in the names of the ancients. As old age possesses authority among the stages of life, so antiquity possesses it among examples, and with me its authority is very great. I do not demand what antiquity lacks more than I praise what it possesses, especially since I judge its possessions greater than its deficiencies. Excellence of words and thoughts, in which those writers excel, matters more than the rounding of sentences, which they lack. The latter was discovered afterward, and I believe those ancients would have used it if it had already been known and practiced. Since its discovery, we see every great orator employ it.
French AI-generated translation, non-official
Codex gpt-5.6-sol · Non-official working translation · 2026-09-11
« Cela même me plaît », disent-ils. Quoi donc ? Si cette très ancienne peinture aux rares couleurs plaisait davantage que la peinture désormais achevée, faudrait-il, je suppose, revenir à la première et rejeter la seconde ? Ils se glorifient des noms des anciens. Or, de même que la vieillesse a de l’autorité parmi les âges, l’antiquité en a parmi les exemples, et elle en possède beaucoup à mes yeux. Je ne réclame pas à l’antiquité ce qui lui manque plutôt que je ne loue ce qu’elle possède, d’autant que je juge ses qualités plus importantes que ses lacunes. Il y a plus de mérite dans les mots et les pensées, où les anciens excellent, que dans la conclusion des phrases, qu’ils ne possèdent pas. Celle-ci fut inventée plus tard ; je crois que ces anciens l’auraient employée si elle avait déjà été connue et pratiquée. Depuis sa découverte, nous voyons tous les grands orateurs en faire usage.
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