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Cicero
Orator Passage 175
Passage 175 of 238
Canonical reference 175
Latin
perseus-cicero-orator-lat
quod ab eis vere quadam ex parte, non totum dicitur. Nam neminem in eo genere scientius versatum Isocrate confitendum est, sed princeps inveniendi fuit Thrasymachus, cuius omnia nimis etiam exstant scripta numerose. Nam, ut paulo ante dixi, paria paribus adiuncta et similiter definita itemque contrariis relata contraria, quae sua sponte, etiam si id non agas, cadunt plerumque numerose, Gorgias primum invenit, sed eis est usus intemperatius. Id autem est genus, ut ante dictum est, ex tribus partibus conlocationis alterum.
English AI-generated translation, non-official
Codex gpt-5.6-sol · Non-official working translation · 2026-09-11
What they say is partly true, but not wholly. It must be admitted that no one handled this kind of composition more skillfully than Isocrates. Yet Thrasymachus was the first inventor, and all his surviving writings are excessively rhythmic. As I said shortly before, Gorgias first invented the matching of equal phrases with equal phrases, similar endings, and opposites corresponding to opposites, forms which spontaneously fall into rhythm even when that is not one's purpose. But he used them without restraint. This form, as stated earlier, is the second of the three parts of arrangement.
French AI-generated translation, non-official
Codex gpt-5.6-sol · Non-official working translation · 2026-09-11
Cette affirmation est vraie en partie, mais non entièrement. Il faut reconnaître que nul ne mania ce genre avec plus de science qu’Isocrate ; mais Thrasymaque fut le premier inventeur, et tous ses écrits présentent même un rythme excessivement marqué. En effet, comme je l’ai dit peu auparavant, Gorgias fut le premier à découvrir les membres égaux joints à des membres égaux, les terminaisons semblables et les contraires répondant aux contraires, figures qui, même sans intention, tombent le plus souvent en cadence ; mais il en usa sans mesure. C’est là, comme nous l’avons dit plus haut, le deuxième des trois éléments de l’agencement.
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