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Cicero

Orator Passage 12

Passage 12 of 238

Canonical reference 12

Latin

perseus-cicero-orator-lat

ego autem et me saepe nova videri dicere intellego, cum pervetera dicam sed inaudita plerisque, et fateor me oratorem, si modo sim aut etiam quicumque sim , non ex rhetorum officinis sed ex Academiae spatiis exstitisse; illa enim sunt curricula multiplicium variorumque sermonum, in quibus Platonis primum sunt impressa vestigia. Sed et huius et aliorum philosophorum disputationibus et exagitatus maxime orator est et adiutus; omnis enim ubertas et quasi silva dicendi ducta ab illis est nec satis tamen instructa ad forensis causas, quas, ut illi ipsi dicere solebant, agrestioribus Musis reliquerunt.

English AI-generated translation, non-official

Codex gpt-5.6-sol · Non-official working translation · 2026-09-11

I understand that I often seem to say new things when I am saying things exceedingly old but unheard by most people. And I acknowledge that, if I am an orator at all, or whatever sort of man I am, I emerged not from the workshops of the rhetoricians but from the open walks of the Academy. Those are the courses where many varied discussions are held, and where Plato's footprints were first impressed. Yet the orator has been both challenged and greatly assisted by the disputations of Plato and the other philosophers. All the richness and, as it were, the forest of discourse was derived from them, though it was not sufficiently equipped for lawsuits in the forum, which, as the philosophers themselves used to say, they left to the more rustic Muses.

French AI-generated translation, non-official

Codex gpt-5.6-sol · Non-official working translation · 2026-09-11

Je comprends d’ailleurs que je parais souvent dire des choses nouvelles alors que j’en expose de très anciennes, mais inconnues de la plupart. Et j’avoue que, si je suis orateur, ou quoi que je sois, je ne suis pas sorti des ateliers des rhéteurs, mais des promenades de l’Académie. Ce sont les pistes où se déploient des entretiens multiples et variés, sur lesquelles les pas de Platon se sont imprimés les premiers. Les débats de Platon et des autres philosophes ont vivement stimulé l’orateur et l’ont aidé. Toute l’abondance et, pour ainsi dire, toute la forêt du discours viennent d’eux, sans être toutefois suffisamment adaptées aux causes du forum, qu’ils avaient coutume, de leur propre aveu, d’abandonner à des Muses plus rustiques.

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